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Mad Ghost/0331 · Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: Soviet Surface Combatants

Destroyer Leader Tashkent

thoughts?

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Tiornu · Naval Historian Moderator Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 664

"Lose"

Mad Ghost/0331 · Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject:

Expletive
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NeuralDream · Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject:

Yup. Apart from the spelling mistake, it looks good. I wouldn't use the uniquely tough ability, because I dislike it, but that's just me. Also, maybe it qualifies for a fifth torpedo. Maybe not.
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Mad Ghost/0331 · Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject:

how about the stats?
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NeuralDream · Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject:

Maybe Destroyer Leader instead of Flotilla Leader, where the destroyers get some different bonus or the flag bonus is limited to +2. I think something is needed to differentiate this destroyer leader to the flotilla leader cruisers.
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WarHighlander · Joined: 31 Jul 2008 Posts: 80 Location: Sacramento, CA

Switch Main Guns to 5/5/4

Armor 2/8/2

ASW 4 (Which you seem to have completely forgotten)

Add High Speed Run

9 points is fine.

Delete other special rules. Flotilla Leader too powerful for a Destoyer.

NeuralDream · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:06 am Post subject:

Are you sure she had depth charges, Highlander?

You are right about High-speed run.
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Tiornu · Naval Historian Moderator Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 664

She had depth charges on the centerline between the mine rails. No active sonar.

RAEVSKI · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:22 am Post subject:

Hooray a a target for the Black sea fleet.
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Mad Ghost/0331 · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:38 pm Post subject:

NeuralDream · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject:

I never managed to find a satisfactory representation of Destroyer leaders. That's why there is no destroyer leader in the forumini navies. I had left it for future work.
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Mad Ghost/0331 · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject:

WarHighlander · Joined: 31 Jul 2008 Posts: 80 Location: Sacramento, CA

Soviet destroyer torpedos didn't have a particularly long range in WWII.

533 mm (21") 53-39
10,940 yards (10,000 m) / 34.0 knots

While the French destroyers like the Le Terrible had:

55 cm (21.65") 23DT, Toulon
14,200 yards (13,000 m) / 35 knots

WarHighlander · Joined: 31 Jul 2008 Posts: 80 Location: Sacramento, CA

You could drop it down to ASW 3, but then it would probably need to be lowered to 8 points if you incorporate the other changes I suggested.

RAEVSKI · Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:50 am Post subject:

Mad Ghost/0331 · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:02 am Post subject:

how do we feel about this one?

I am not totaly in love with not recognizing the amount of punishment she sustained, but...
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swarbs · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:27 am Post subject:

How about making your destroyer leader SA into a surface equivalent of wolfpack, "If you control 2 or more destroyers, each destroyer gets +1 die when making torpedo attacks." or something like "Each local or adjacent destroyer at the end of the movement phase gains +1 die to torpedo attacks."

It makes more sense to me that a flotilla leader would make each destroyer around it a little better, rather than having it's escorts make it a little better. Plus, 5 is a lot of destroyer torpedoes.

There are always other choices for sa's about resiliency too: survivor, determination, damage control. Speaking of options, there are plenty for speed too: lead the attack, flank speed.
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Mad Ghost/0331 · Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject: